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Thursday, October 10, 2019

Did Pope Francis tell Eugenio Scalfari that he, Bergoglio, didn't beileve in the Divinity of Christ? It is highly likely.

Aimci,


So that clears that up, right? Nope. Of course he said it. A: He's done things like this since his election, using old Eugenio Scalfari to float ideas that he, Bergoglio, wants to float, yet at the same time, doing it this way give him "plausible deniability" when the backlash flames too hot.

B: And also, considering the odd way Scalfari talked about this, that Bergoglio said Our Lord was no longer God when He became Man, etc., is something having roots in Modernist "Process Theology" -- and one can reasonably ask how the doddering old Communist journalist clearly knew the details of such an absurd but at one time trendy theological notion.

A Commentator at OnePeterFive explains how Bergoglio learned this "Process Theology" idea himself during his studies, and thus it is highly likely that he believes it and actually did pass it on to Scalfari:

3 hours ago
I believe that Scalfari is more credible than the Vatican Press Office on this matter for the following reasons:

In 1966 the Dutch Jesuit Piet Schoonenberg contributed to the journal "Tijdschrift voor Theologie" in the article "Jezus Christus, gekend als men, beleden as Zoon Gods" ("Jesus Christ, Known as Man, Confessed as the Son of God", vol 6. 1966) along with the Augustinian theologian Ansfried Hulsbosch among others. Schoonenberg was one of the founders of the "Nouvelle Theologie", and a contributing editor of the infamous Dutch catechism (did I mention that he was a Jesuit?). He was known as a "process theologian" and advocate of the "Ascending Christology" or "Christology from below" that was so popular at the time and during the following decades. He studied philosophy, theology, and exegesis in Nijmegen, Maastricht, and the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. In 1948 he received the doctorate in theology at Maastricht with a dissertation on theology as interpretation of faith according to recent French literature (la nouvelle théologie and its critics). After teaching for several years at Maastricht and Amsterdam, he became associated with the Higher Catechetical Institute at Nijmegen in 1957. In 1964 he was appointed ordinary professor of dogmatic theology at the Catholic University of Nijmegen, where he became professor emeritus in 1976 and where his closest collaborator was the Dominican Edward Schillebeeckz.
In McBrien's "Catholicism", Schoonenberg's Christology (did I mention that he was a Jesuit?), as set out in the above paper, is briefly summarized as follows:

"More deliberately than Hulsbosch, Schoonenberg confronts the question of the pre-existence of Christ. He argues that the Second Person of the Trinity is none other than the human person of Jesus, who came to exist at a specific moment in time. God is initially a single Person, therefore, but as history unfolds God becomes two Persons, and then three. Christ is God's ultimate revelation, however, and not simply a fortuitous climax to history. In him the fullness of what it is to be human is realized, just because the fullness of the Godhead dwells in him."

Following Hulsbosch, Jesus was a human being who became God - he was not God who became a human being. Needless to say, he was repeatedly reprimanded by the CDF for the unorthodoxy of his teaching. The Scriptural texts which Schoonenberg used to justify his "Christology from below" are precisely those which Scalfari refers to in his above article.

It is notable that Schoonenberg was teaching his "Christology from below" at Nijmegen from 1964 to 1976. He continued writing until 1992. This would cover the exact period when another Jesuit would receive his own theological formation from the Society. Completing his novitiate on 12th March 1960, this other Jesuit went on to complete his tertianship at Alcala de Henares in Spain taking his fourth vow on 22nd April 1973. It wouldn't be until 1986 that he went to Germany to complete his doctoral thesis. This other Jesuit was, Jorge Bergoglio.

Now, please tell me what is more likely:

a) A 95 year-old atheist journalist somehow stumbled upon the theological ramblings of a dodgy Jesuit professor from the 60's and 70's, using the same texts and coming to the same sort of conclusions as his "Ascending Christology" school of thought?

or

b) He heard them, or something approximating to them, from another Jesuit who received his formation at the same time that these theories were doing the rounds in the Society of Jesus (and probably still are for all I know)?

I think that the pertinent dubium to submit to the Pope is whether the Ascending Christology of Piet Schoonenberg SJ is now acceptable to be believed and taught within the Catholic Church? If so, is this what he believes personally?


AnP
PS 
For those who have the time to watch video, Taylor Marshall is just back from Rome and reports here on how crazily pagan this whole "Amazon Synod" is. 
Excerpts"

“They are literally overtaking the Vatican Gardens and doing pagan rituals. If we had said (at any time in the recent past) that there would be pagan rituals in the Vatican Gardens, people would have said, ‘You’re just conspiracy theorists." Where are those naysayers now? – Tim Gordon.

“For all those people who said my book (Infiltration) was a shoddy conspiracy theory, shame on you. You carried water for pagans. … You can’t have the pope sit in front of pagan idols and say, ‘The Church makes sense’. And any bishop who is quiet about this, moving forward, is complicit.” … “This is a spiritual battle. Now is the time for war, and the main weapon is the Rosary. If you’re not praying the Rosary, you’re not on the team.” – Taylor Marshall

And remember that this report was put together just before Eugenio Scalfari’s latest bombshell, in which he claims that in his presence, Pope Francis denied the divinity of Jesus.

Tuesday, November 20, 2018

Why are the Italian bishops set to attack the Traditional Mass?

 Someone wrote recently in a friend's email: "I don’t understand why the Bishops In Italy want to reduce opportunities to hear the traditional Latin Mass. Why are they opposed to it? ... I really don't get it."

The questioner is referring to this article at One Peter Five. I wrote the following in answer.

One could flippantly answer that the reason is they've "gone over to the dark side". Less flippantly, Francis has appointed his special cronies in key positions -- both in Italy and here, too -- to put a stop, once and for all, to the Traditional Mass (among other things). And it is Francis who is doing this, forcing this to happen. Make no mistake about that.

Why?

Where you see no downside to offering the Traditional Mass, they see a massive one: people actually in the presence of God and at the fount of Catholic spirituality as it has been since the days of St. Gregory the Great (and before back to the beginning). In comparison, the new Mass, the Novus Ordo of Paul VI, fails miserably. (After 60 years, I can say this most solemnly.) As the old saying has it, a camel is a horse designed by a committee, so the New Mass lacks the innate spiritual grace and power of the old, which, like the horse, evolved over a very long period of time, and under the influence of both saints, the pious, and 2,000 years worth of laity. The Novus Ordo just compares poorly, even when done at its best. After all, the old Mass was the Mass of the great saints, and the "nuclear" pile, the spiritual core at the center of everything Catholic -- as Catholicism existed in the centuries before the Vatican II Reformation.

And Bergoglio & Co. DO NOT want a return to "the Faith of Our Fathers". They all have too much emotionally and self-consciously invested in the Vat 2 Reformation. But rejecting that iconoclastic reformation is exactly what will be demanded by more and more people who discover the Traditional Mass. (My personal experience is that about half the people who experience a Missa cantata, or sung High Mass, reject it as weird, alien, incomprehensible, or a "museum piece" while the other half are dumbfounded with wonder, awe, and spiritual uplift. There seems to be no middle ground.)

Why is the Rite of St. Gregory the Great so powerful?

The Catholic/Orthodox idea is that no more important a thing (in this world) exists than Liturgy, as there's no more important a thing for a Christian than meeting and interacting with God, for Mass is how we come into the Presence of God before Judgment Day. It's how we prepare for eternity, by entering into and lingering in the Timelessness of the Eternal Presence. We partake of the Divine Nature in Mass, in many ways, especially prayer and simple wonder and contemplation, but primarily through reception of the Most Holy Eucharist.

The old Mass -- I refer to the High Mass forms -- organically developed over a millennium to express all that, and it does so most excellently.

The new Mass is a committee-concocted horizontal group therapy session, or a group pep rally, a sort of parade ground drill: a crowded, relentless one-thing-after-another performance led by a relentless conductor with whom we never break eye contact. (That's an amazingly important difference between the two rites.)* And it is all done to affirm our selves. Affirm our self-awareness and self-consciousness. Reinforce our identity. It's about us. Ultimately, it's all about "Belief", rather than "Dwelling With". The Traditional Mass and the Eastern Liturgies are a Dwelling With: a listening, praying, wandering in the antechambers of Heaven's timelessness.

The very first thing I noticed when I started attending the Eastern Liturgies, and then the Traditional Latin Mass, was how "roomy" they were compared to the Novus Ordo, how uncrowded, peaceful, and filled with time for silence and eternal, internal space -- especially prayer space. Prayer comes naturally in the old liturgies, and at our own speed. One's spirit can simply wander in a sacred citadel. But most of all, it is about lingering in the very Presence of the Lord of Hosts. Catholicism (and Orthodoxy) are all about the Presence of God, His presence on Earth and our presence to and in Him.

In comparison, the modern Mass is like a brass band marching in some sort of "pride" parade.

These devotees of Bergoglio, however, want none of the Old Faith. Please understand. This is crucial. To the extent they have any faith in Christ, it is Protestant faith, meaning in worship that the worship service is about one expressing one's belief rather than dwelling in the Presence. The Novus Ordo is about us, and it reaffirms us. This is why so many observers insist that Vatican II and its fallout was a Protestantization of Catholicism. It was that on various levels, especially both on the ecumenical level and the liturgical one, the latter enacted to make the former all the easier. (And Papa Bergoglio has demonstrated, many times in many comments, sermons, observations and off-the-cuff remarks, that he has a Lutheran understanding of how salvation works, not a Catholic one. He's thus the "perfect Progressive" of "Manifest Modernist.")

However. this Vat 2 ecumenical goal was a "chasing after wind." Protestants, as a collective, aren't interested in Catholicism. Individuals do convert, obviously, from both directions, but no Protestant Church has any interest in "Communion" with Catholicism. (And Catholicism has always rejected the core Protestant ideas.) In 500 years, not a single Protestant denomination ever "evolved" back toward Catholicism. Not even a little.

The reason: Catholicism and Orthodoxy are the Churches of the Real Presence and Protestantism is the Church of the Real Absence. And I mean that literally: in their various founding documents, the Protestant Churches insist Our Lord is really NOT present in the Holy Eucharist. And that's why they all insisted miracles came to an end at the conclusion of the New Testament, for the Holy Eucharist is a miracle and they wanted none of it. (Pentecostalism came into existence primarily driven by a thirst to experience some sort of miracle, actually, and thus it runs counter to the foundational ideas of classical Protestantism.)

So, therefore, everything about the Rite of St. Gregory the Great -- by its very nature -- invalidates everything Vatican II types believe -- or perhaps one should say, everything they don't believe.

They can thus hardly be expected to tolerate it!

Pope Francis intentionally, as an act of pure spite, destroyed the thriving Traditionalist order of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate. According to Benedict's Summorum Pontificum, the FFI had every right to embrace the Traditional Mass. Bergoglio showed his colors then as he has now by smacking down the U.S. bishops in their attempt to do something about the sex abuse crisis. Read this article, or one of the many others on this latest Bergoglian outrage. The pope is making himself odious. Something like old-time gangster films, they're holed up in a hideout surrounded by police, and they're in effect shouting, "Come in a get us, Coppers!" Because of the pope's actions, the American Church will be helpless when the prosecutors come to liquidate its assets.

In Francis, the Modernist / Progressive faction has total control of the Church, and they won't let it go. They intend to keep it and drive the rest of us out.

But they'll only lose it, and drive everyone else out.

That's a fuller, non-flippant answer to your question.

We are in dire, very dire times.

An Préachán

* Note I write "two rites" when it is a strict rule in the Modernist Church that all the Latin rites are really only one rite. That's nonsense. The Novus Ordo is more different from a High Mass than any two separate Eastern Liturgies are from each other. A High Mass has more in common with any Eastern Liturgy than it does with the Novus Ordo. It is true that the Novus Ordo is a bowdlerized version of the Low Mass, which itself is a "short form" or Reader's Digest Condensed version of the High Mass, developed for specific monastic purposes in the High Middle Ages, but it had ended up being almost the only form of the Mass pre-Vatican II Catholics experienced. A 1950's Catholic parish had two or three Sunday Masses, all Low. But the Eastern Liturgy Churches only have the one Sunday Liturgy. It was the heavy use of the Low Mass that gave fuel to the liturgical iconoclasts' fire when they rampaged "in the spirit of Vatican II".

Wednesday, December 27, 2017

Cri de cœur from One Peter Five's founder about the current state of the Church

I tend to be perhaps too optimistic at times. But there's always One Peter Five to bring me back the earth of our realities, as it were. Here Steve Skojec whips up a true Cri de Coeur about the current state of Holy Church.


The Comments are good, too.


How bad are things in the Church, though, really? Pretty awful. You may think Steve is overdoing it, but he isn't. However, being the phlegmatic character that I am, somehow I'm not losing sleep over it. No matter how bad things get, after all, we (Catholics and Orthodox) still have enough validly ordained priests around confecting the sacraments that God is truly with us in the Real Presence. That's better than the Protestants and their Real Absence. 

But they're suffering miserably, as well. Apostasy is in the air: the state is pagan, Gays are in your face, and Islam is at the gates. The time for blasé Catholicism has past; the time for heroic Catholicism has come.



There's always hope. And we've always prayer. So, get to it.

Otherwise, it's back to the beginning, actually. Lions, burning stakes. Nero. Caligula. Only we've got Islam to contend with this time around.





As Yogi Bera famously said, it's "deja vu all over again".


Happy New Year.


An Préachán