Anyway,
were these men NOT actual popes, then we don't have a Catholic Church,
because the last priest ordained by the last bishop Pope Pius XII
assigned a diocese to has probably passed away by now. Invalid, false
popes cannot ordain or assign bishops, and invalid bishops cannot ordain
valid priests. Therefore, Catholicism is dead.
Remember
the priests exist to validly ordain the Sacraments, especially the Most
Holy Eucharist. (It's by Baptism and the Holy Eucharist that we
participate in all the ancient Covenants. The Covenant system God set up
with the First Covenant, when He blessed Creation and established the
seventh day for the remembrance of it. The Holy Eucharist, capstone of
the system, is required for salvation, as St. John makes clear in the
sixth chapter of his Gospel. So it can't come to an end, until The End.)
And the bishops exist to ordain valid priests and keep an eye on them.
And in their turn, popes exist either to ordain and assign bishops or
approve the election of bishops elevated by local cathedral canons,
etc., as it was in the Middle Ages and before....
So,
if valid popes have not existed since Pius died on the 9th of October,
1958, (or I suppose since June 3rd,1963, if one assumes Roncalli was a
valid pope), then the Church is an illusion, a "maya" as Buddhists say. That cannot be true, either. Not if God actually exists and if Jesus Christ is indeed God. So,
how to square this circle? Maybe it is just me, but I've never seen a
sedevacantist explanation of this: a clear one, concise, instantly
recognizable to one's reason, as are the First Principles of Logic and
the Truths of the Faith.
This
was it. I wanted a clear, concise, instantly recognizable explanation
to how this could work: how could a Catholic Church still exist assuming
the "long-march" 60-plus-year sedevacantism? And how could we know/find it?
Remember:
No valid popes for so long means no valid bishops. No valid bishops
means no valid priests. No valid priests means invalid sacraments and
thus no salvation whatsoever. That is, of course unless we want to go
Protestant and ditch God's entire Salvic Plan from the First Covenant
(Genesis 2:1-3) down to the Seventh Covenant Our Lord Himself made with
His Father two thousand years ago, as told in the New
Covenant/Testament.
But would the Lord God abandon thousands of years of Covenant, since Creation itself, in this way? Would he create a "Hidden Church" of true believers? And is that very idea very Protestant, in itself?
Trying to Understand This Thinking, What I Learned Is...
On their page Now What?, NOW helpfully provide a series of Mass directories where one can search
for a Mass not hooked up in any way with the infamous "Vatican II
sect", as they call it. I.e. Look for a Mass location that is close to you, and keep in mind that you
may have to go across state or country lines for your nearest Mass. The
editors of these directories try hard to ensure that all of the Masses
listed are sedevacantist, that is, as far as they know, the clergy who
offer them profess the true Catholic Faith, are validly ordained, and do
not profess communion with any false papal claimant or the Vatican II
Sect.
Notice
they mean, of course, by "true Catholic Faith" the one defined for
millennia, not its more recent iterations. And that they thereby totally
discount ALL of the Vatican II Church, entirely. One has to find a Mass
location (not a parish because those cannot be set up, things being as
dire as the are) where the priest was ordained by a bishop who himself
was NOT ordained by any Vatican II bishop – but would have been ordained by someone who "passes", someone somehow ordained in a line not connected with Vatican II.
So, that would be either some sort of SSPX bishop or priest who left the SSPX
because the SSPX prays for Pope Francis, and the Society has not been
cast off by the official Church. (Horrors!) Who fits such a description,
though? Aye, there's the rub. Well, there were "The Nine" who left the
Society at some point, and some of those (or maybe just one guy?)
founded the SSPV, and was consecrated to the episcopacy by Archbishop Pierre Martin Ngô Đình Thục (I guess it was) at some point. (Thuc died in 1984.) One of these ordinands just died, a "founder
of Congregation of St. Pius V... Sedevacantist Bishop Clarence Kelly
(1941-2023)". But then in the Novus Ordo Watch comments on an obituary
regarding the late Bishop Kelly, debate arises whether the entire SSPV (not
the SSPX, mind you) is Sedevacantist at all. Some say yes, some no,
chaos reigns. Fascinating, but a bit like getting into the details of
ancient Gnosticism, that or Japanese mythology. Bewildering, in a word.
Another of The Nine, was, I believe, one Father
Anthony Cekada. Though dead (in 2020), he has a large Youtube presence.
Look him up. You shall thereby find links to articles about some of the
issues the guys commenting on Kelly's death brought up.
Another
fly in the ointment is that, if nothing else, Pacelli (Pius XII) made
it plain that a pope would have to approve new bishop consecrations.
Things have changed since then; i.e. the mode and words of bishop
consecrations have changed, the words of ordaining priests and deacons
have changed, too, for that matter. Changes galore. But not only that. If
I recall correctly, from at least Pius' day, the pope has to approve a bishop's
consecration, and if there's no pope...er...well, you see the problem.
Bishops
are now not just consecrated as bishop of a certain town, region, or
ruin, either; regardless whether they are a titular bishop of an actual
place, ancient or modern, or not; they're ascended to a higher rank of
clergy and are in direct Apostolic succession of the Apostles! Bishop
Strickland is still a bishop fully gunned, victualed and manned, as the
old Navy would say. He just doesn't have a ship, a diocese, not even a titular one, but he still
has all the power that being a bishop entails. Therefore, even
"dry-docked", he has episcopal power to fire on Bergoglio, as Lifesite
reports above. This, thanks to Vatican II. But not in the pre-Vatican II
Church.
Practical Considerations
- As
regards changes in the consecration/ordination rites, I personally
think that too much scrutiny on that makes it into more magic than
grace. A spell won't work unless the words are quite right. Just ask
Gandalf.
- But in Church sacraments, it is not magic, but
grace ("grace" means Divine gift, freely given: i.e. God does this); thus, some verbal
variation might be tolerable. It depends on the sacrament, and so on.
Catholic Churches of the Eastern Rites, i.e. non "Roman"-Catholic
Churches, have different words for ordination and consecration than the
Western Church had. They've always been valid. It's the intent that mattered. (I'm just making this notation to save folk from
losing their marbles about their local clergy's ability to confect the
sacraments.)
Bottom Line
Assuming – and I think it is a valid assumption –
that Novus Ordo Watch in their research, their articles, their links,
are solid for "sedes", that they're well-intentioned but that their zeal
puts them on a very tall cliff, basically; i.e. they solve some problems but create new ones. Perhaps even bigger ones. What can we deduce?
I'm Not Joking
That
you'd rather be Orthodox. Not a joke. (Well, sarcasm.) And I do mean one of the
autocephalous Orthodox Churches, "the 14". Consider, my friends:
- These Churches A: have existed for centuries,
- B:
you know that since they're not "fly-by-night" you don't have to
dig around to verify whether they've Apostolic Succession, and...
- C:
your problem is how to adapt to a foreign national culture in your
religious life: i.e.: We're Western Christians. The Orthos are Russian,
Greek, Syrian, whatever. Can you deal with that? Myself, I could not.
(But I love icons in general and Russian Church architecture in
particular!)
As for the search recommendations the Novus Ordo Watch suggests, I've only one word: headache.
- A;
whatever Sede "Mass community" or "church" you found would NOT have existed
for very long, and thus been proven by that cruel, exacting "Test of
Time";
- B: therefore you would have to spend a lot of
time, energy and patience trying to ferret out whether they have
Apostolic Succession.
- And C: With the Orthodox, of
course, they're national Churches. So, if you are not Russian, or Serbian,
or Romanian, or Greek, or Bulgarian, or Syrian, or...well, you really
think some generic Orthodox Western Church is a real thing? But with these tiny Sede break-aways that are insisting they're really Roman Catholic, does that sit well with you in your craw? Maybe your gut says yes. Maybe not. And we have to live with our gut.
To Finish Up
The
Hard Sedevacantist situation, my friends, is nearly impossible. Honestly. On
the one hand, sure, they describe well and thoroughly the very falleness
of the mainstream Church. (NO doubt as to the N.O. Church.) And Bergoglio is so
obviously a wild boar of an enemy of Christ that he has usurped the
throne (a lot like Biden and his swamping the USA with military-aged men
from China, etc.). But on the other hand, their long march attempt at a solution
just doesn't work for long.
- Spiritually, who are we to ascertain that Bishop Strickland – to take an example – is not only not a bishop, but not even a priest?
That he, and Bishop Schneider and so many others are what we used to
say of Anglican/Episcopalian clergy: just laymen in fancy dress.
- Morally
and legally, oddly but truly, we have no right to judge these others in
that way. We can judge moral action, definitely; for example,
Bergoglio's sell-out of the Chinese Catholics and other Christians is a
horrific evil no pope could allow. Yes. See Liz Yore here. So also his "Kissy" up to the Gays.
- But
regarding your local bishop or priest? Unless they excommunicate themselves, as in the Opening Note, can we excommunicate them?
- And what do demons judge? They
are THE hyper-legalists of all hyber-legalists. If a local bishop isn't
valid, he cant appoint a valid exorcist. However, I believe Fr.
Ripperger has said he can cause a demon great pain by just showing him
the photograph of a local bishop. And for that matter, Fr Ripperger
himself, how's he casting out demons if he's just a confused layman in
fancy dress?
- And finally: Practicality. Practicality hangs over Hard Sedevacantism
like Damocles' Sword. What in Heaven's name is the practicality of a
layman having to do tons of research, not to mention serious travel,
prayer, and simple reflecting, on whether some local off-shoot outfit is
really Catholic at all? Does that sound like something we can
practically engage in, time and again?
- Yes, sometimes "the less must
lead" as with confronting Bergoglio, who affects us all. We can all see his immorality and judge that. We can judge those who openly embrace his apostasy. But locally,
in judging whether Fr. So-and-So is a Catholic in the first place? God
set up the spiritual hierarchy of human beings for a reason, and we all
agree Luther went too far with his priesthood of all believers (he
himself clearly thought so after seeing its consequences).
Summation
Who among the laity – except for the "hard core", whoever they might be –
could stand the trouble? All this searching NOW recommends, and for
what? So much would depend on our money and time as well as our will, and then our
mental state rather than our rational state, and wouldn't so much depend
on the charisma – or lack thereof – of the priests involved? Father Anthony Cekada
exhibited a great and winning personality. It is said Father Leonard
Feeney (died 1978) could be mesmerizing, too. Doesn't make them wrong – or right.
- It's
obvious the Vatican II Church has troubles, and that it has been moving
further and further away from the Deposit of Faith.
- But that's been a process, my friends. A PROCESS. It is an arc.
- This
latest fiasco about blessing homosexuals shows it is reaching its
apogee, its culmination, its denouement. Maybe the majority of bishops
in the world will submit to Bergoglo and "Kissy", thus separating themselves from the Lord Jesus. We'll all be scrambling, then. But there will remain 7,000 who have not bent the knee to Ba'al. (First Kings 19:18)
- I
recently watched that enemy of Tradition (and hence the Deposit of
Faith and hence a Ba'al knee-bender) Cardinal Wilton Gregory, say his
piece about Tradition dying a bloody death. It's stomach-churning to
watch. The man parodied an actor back in a '60s "Rat-Pack" movie playing
a homosexual man. Gregory is very "faggoty". He's just a parody
entirely. So many of Bernadine and McCarrick's highly placed "sons"
are.
- And besides that, it's equally obvious to EVER more people
that Jorge Mario Bergoglio is not a valid pope. Whether invalidly
elected or fraudulently elected (or post a valid election he abandoned
his post argument) we can set aside for this discussion we're on.
My argument is long-march Sedevacantism like this –
that the entire Catholic Church except for a few eccentrics (apologies
to everyone at N.O. Watch), is very valuable in a great many ways, but ultimately, I'm sorry: arguing over whether the SSPV is
really and truly a Sedevacantist or just a seemingly merely Sedevacatist church, is nuts. I can't reduce Catholicism to that. I really don't think they want to, either.
Right now, we have to weather the storm that's on us as best we can. Pray. As I wrote above, the battle lines are being drawn. Fundamentally: Schism, True Schism, is now upon us all.
- Pray
to St. Patrick. He went to Ireland without the approval of his bishops
back in Britannia. They didn't consecrate him a bishop. They might not even have ordained him a priest. But he went regardless, and the Lord God rewarded his sacrifice pretty handsomely in the test of time.
- There's
a delightful Russian story about three monks on an island in a lake who
spent their days and nights chanting, "We three below adore You Three
above." So the local bishop got a boat and went out to enlighten them
about the Faith. As he was boating homeward, he saw one of the monks running
across the water. He ran to the boat and stood on the lake to ask the
bishop a child-like question. I'd rather be one of those monks than the
bishop, wouldn't you?
An Préachán