More and more voices, of different sensibilities, testify that the 1969 operation was truly radical, in the face of a limited conciliar mandate: from the right, as in Card. Stickler’s lengthy memoirs; and from the left, as in Fr. Gelineau’s lapidary comment: “This must be said without ambiguity: the Roman Rite as we knew it no longer exists. It has been destroyed.”And it is precisely on account of Gelineau’s admission that I personally feel like making a concession: it is indeed true that the theorem of the two forms of the Roman Rite is fragile (to be generous) and sophistic (to be more ruthless). For the Council had called for a reform of the Roman Rite. The Consilium produced instead a “Vatican Rite” or a “Pauline Rite,” with some vestigial resemblance to the historic Roman Rite, and some superficial resemblance to some of the Council Fathers’ indications, although most were ignored de plano. Hence with a little intellectual honesty—but that is still a long way off—it will sooner or later be necessary to acknowledge that the Vatican Rite or Pauline Rite is not the Roman Rite, as indeed a forthcoming book argues.
- An excellent way of saying it. The Vatican II Council called for one thing and got another, something with "some
vestigial resemblance to
the historic Roman Rite, and some superficial resemblance to some of the
Council Fathers’ indications." Touché. It's ridiculous, but there it
is. We should have demanded they toss it back then, reject it on the
spot, yet the "Vatican I Church" (from 1870 to 1962) had drilled
Catholics to pray, pay, and obey. No longer. That sort of submission no
longer exists much of anywhere in the Church.
- FWIW, I never bought into Ratzinger's spiel that
two forms of the western Roman Rite existed, the "Ordinary" form and the
"Extraordinary" form. Many others did not, either; anyone, in fact – me thinks – will come away with that realization who bothers to even remotely interact with the TLM Vetus Ordo.
Hence the idea of a "Vatican Rite" or "Pauline Rite" seems so fitting.
The N.O. is an alien thing altogether. A Changeling. As I say, it's a
Methodist service with one of the N.O.'s Eucharistic prayers squeezed
in.
- If you take time to read Grillo's responses to this student above, and another exchange Prof K provided, you realize Grillo is a parrot to Modernist notions purely ideological in nature. A high apparatchik in a dying cult. Such ideas cannot be sustained except by brute force (via KGB, Stasi, or FBI), which is precisely why Bergoglio acts the way he does.
- The near-term future is not conducive to the Novus Ordo:
world-wide social stresses and economic upheavals will destroy, at long
last, the "Vatican II Church", for as we saw with the ridiculous Covid
lockdowns, that Church has no stuffing, no guts; it bent over showed its butt to the dominant Grillo gorilla-brute culture of power, the fascist "boot
on the human face forever" (Orwell) when what the world needed was the
actual Catholic Faith, represented during the lockdowns best by the
SSPX, which kept chapels open and priestly services ongoing, as much as
possible. If you want to see that actual Catholic Faith in action, watch
this video of an SSPX priest making the rounds in Alaska.
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