Aimci,
So that clears that up, right? Nope. Of course he said it. A:
He's done things like this since his election, using old Eugenio
Scalfari to float ideas that he, Bergoglio, wants to float, yet at the
same time, doing it this way give him "plausible deniability" when the
backlash flames too hot.
B:
And also, considering the odd way Scalfari talked about this, that
Bergoglio said Our Lord was no longer God when He became Man, etc., is
something having roots in Modernist "Process Theology" -- and one can
reasonably ask how the doddering old Communist journalist clearly knew
the details of such an absurd but at one time trendy theological notion.
A
Commentator at OnePeterFive explains how Bergoglio learned this
"Process Theology" idea himself during his studies, and thus it is
highly likely that he believes it and actually did pass it on to
Scalfari:
Deacon Augustine • 3 hours ago
I believe that Scalfari is more credible than the Vatican Press Office on this matter for the following reasons:
In
1966 the Dutch Jesuit Piet Schoonenberg contributed to the journal
"Tijdschrift voor Theologie" in the article "Jezus Christus, gekend als
men, beleden as Zoon Gods" ("Jesus Christ, Known as Man, Confessed as
the Son of God", vol 6. 1966) along with the Augustinian theologian
Ansfried Hulsbosch among others. Schoonenberg was one of the founders
of the "Nouvelle Theologie", and a contributing editor of the infamous
Dutch catechism (did I mention that he was a Jesuit?). He was known as a
"process theologian" and advocate of the "Ascending Christology" or
"Christology from below" that was so popular at the time and during the
following decades. He studied philosophy, theology, and exegesis in
Nijmegen, Maastricht, and the Pontifical Biblical Institute in Rome. In
1948 he received the doctorate in theology at Maastricht with a
dissertation on theology as interpretation of faith according to recent
French literature (la nouvelle théologie and its critics). After
teaching for several years at Maastricht and Amsterdam, he became
associated with the Higher Catechetical Institute at Nijmegen in 1957.
In 1964 he was appointed ordinary professor of dogmatic theology at the
Catholic University of Nijmegen, where he became professor emeritus in
1976 and where his closest collaborator was the Dominican Edward
Schillebeeckz.
In McBrien's "Catholicism", Schoonenberg's
Christology (did I mention that he was a Jesuit?), as set out in the
above paper, is briefly summarized as follows:
"More deliberately
than Hulsbosch, Schoonenberg confronts the question of the pre-existence
of Christ. He argues that the Second Person of the Trinity is none
other than the human person of Jesus, who came to exist at a specific
moment in time. God is initially a single Person, therefore, but as
history unfolds God becomes two Persons, and then three. Christ is
God's ultimate revelation, however, and not simply a fortuitous climax
to history. In him the fullness of what it is to be human is realized,
just because the fullness of the Godhead dwells in him."
Following
Hulsbosch, Jesus was a human being who became God - he was not God who
became a human being. Needless to say, he was repeatedly reprimanded by
the CDF for the unorthodoxy of his teaching. The Scriptural texts which
Schoonenberg used to justify his "Christology from below" are precisely
those which Scalfari refers to in his above article.
It is notable
that Schoonenberg was teaching his "Christology from below" at Nijmegen
from 1964 to 1976. He continued writing until 1992. This would cover
the exact period when another Jesuit would receive his own theological
formation from the Society. Completing his novitiate on 12th March
1960, this other Jesuit went on to complete his tertianship at Alcala de
Henares in Spain taking his fourth vow on 22nd April 1973. It wouldn't
be until 1986 that he went to Germany to complete his doctoral thesis.
This other Jesuit was, Jorge Bergoglio.
Now, please tell me what is more likely:
a)
A 95 year-old atheist journalist somehow stumbled upon the theological
ramblings of a dodgy Jesuit professor from the 60's and 70's, using the
same texts and coming to the same sort of conclusions as his "Ascending
Christology" school of thought?
or
b) He heard them, or
something approximating to them, from another Jesuit who received his
formation at the same time that these theories were doing the rounds in
the Society of Jesus (and probably still are for all I know)?
I
think that the pertinent dubium to submit to the Pope is whether the
Ascending Christology of Piet Schoonenberg SJ is now acceptable to be
believed and taught within the Catholic Church? If so, is this what he
believes personally?
AnP
PS
For those who have the time to watch video, Taylor Marshall is just back
from Rome and reports here on how crazily pagan this whole "Amazon Synod"
is.
Excerpts"
“They are literally overtaking the Vatican Gardens and doing pagan
rituals. If we had said (at any time in the recent past) that there would be
pagan rituals in the Vatican Gardens, people would have said, ‘You’re just
conspiracy theorists." Where are those naysayers now? – Tim Gordon.
“For all those people who said my book (Infiltration) was a
shoddy conspiracy theory, shame on you. You carried water for pagans. … You
can’t have the pope sit in front of pagan idols and say, ‘The Church makes
sense’. And any bishop who is quiet about this, moving forward, is complicit.”
… “This is a spiritual battle. Now is the time for war, and the main weapon is
the Rosary. If you’re not praying the Rosary, you’re not on the team.” – Taylor
Marshall
And remember that this report was put together just before Eugenio
Scalfari’s latest bombshell, in which he claims that in his presence, Pope
Francis denied the divinity of Jesus.
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