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Tuesday, September 3, 2019

Can the Vatican II Church Be Saved? Returned to being the True Church?


These two questions are serious ones. But how do I mean them?

I'm no Sedevacantist, because were Pius XII the last actual pope, then there are no bishops and priests today, certainly not those coined by Sedevacantists! Who's been around to ordain them, after all, in the sense that if t'is true a bishop has to be in Communion with Rome to be Catholic, and there's in effect "no Rome" since 1958, then no bishop is Catholic – we're not talking about a bishop or a priest being validly ordained before a particular papal interregnum occurs; we're talking about there being no pope over a biblical lifetime, something that is a sin of unbelief against Matthew 16:18 and following – and that's not counting the endlessly impossible mess of a committed Sede trying to figure out which priest (or bishop) today is validly ordained. That's a fun-house hall of mirrors, if ever there were one.

So, the Church is the Church, but it manifests in the different ages slightly differently, such as the Bourbon Church (1648 to 1789) was the same Church but different than the Counter-Reformation Church (1540 to 1648), which was in tern different from the High Middle Ages Church (1054 to 1300). All were in a sense quite different, but all had the Traditional Latin Mass and all that goes with it (theology and practice); however, the Vatican II Church doesn't even have those! Of course, they had never been truly stopped, but wherever they are coming back today, there the Church "feels" different than the mainstream one, and no doubt a new Church avatar is a-borning: let's pray it is a Reconquista Church! Vivo Christo Rey!


The Vatican II Church began in effect even before Pius XII died, but we can take his death in October, 1958, as the birthing of the new Vatican II Church avatar, even if its behind-the-scenes conception was back in Pius X's day.

So, the Vatican II Church? Saved? Collectively? Returned to the Catholic Stable? 

Nope, ain't gonna happen.

The Vatican II Church, the N.O. Vatican Church, is down by the bow to the point the propellers are outta the water and the only thing happening is the captain is shooting the sailors who know how to man the lifeboats.

Trust me. These clowns will "ride 'er down" outta sight, as demonstrated by this recent OnePeterFive article. Whatever else the Vat 2 honchos may or may not believe, the ONE thing they're certain of is THEY ARE RIGHT. They won't back up, reconsider, rethink, give up on or jump off of the wreck they've made. This article linked to above shows how "in your face" they are about it, too.

The only possible solution (speaking in human terms, sans any divine Deus Ex Machina) is for someone -- or some few -- to make this 60-year-long de facto schism de jure, while getting the Modernists seen as the Schismatics, not the Trad-orthodox. How that could be done I don't know, aside from getting a very 'conservative' or Trad pope elected; that'd do it, all right. The Vat2 crowd then couldn't wait to go into formal Schism. Other than that, I dunno.

But Bergoglio is not taking any chances. This coming October, he's creating 13 new cardinals, and they're Bergi Mini-Me's. "Ten of the new Cardinals are younger than 80. Francis has now named 53% of the body that will elect his successor. The ten new cardinals are pro-mass-immigration and pro-gay advocates."

If these past 60-70+ years have taught us anything, they've taught us that Modernism has no "group" cure. Individuals may  purely by the grace of the Holy Ghost  "convert" out of Modernism/Progressivism, but even that is rare. Collectively, Modernism/Progressivism is a self-reinforcing thanatos pact, Faith-draining all who become entwined in its clutches.

An Préachán

3 comments:

  1. [Matt 16, 21-24]: "From that time Jesus began to shew to his disciples, that he must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the ancients and scribes and chief priests, and be put to death, and the third day rise again. And Peter taking him, began to rebuke him, saying: Lord, be it far from thee, this shall not be unto thee. Who turning, said to Peter: Go behind me, Satan, thou art a scandal unto me : because thou savourest not the things that are of God, but the things that are of men. Then Jesus said to his disciples: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. "
    The Church as a Mystical Body must follow the same path as its head, Jesus Christ. The last Roman Pope Benedict XVI became a hindrance on this path and was removed. "Scribes and chief priests" of today under Bergoglio kill the visible church. It was all foretold and thank God it's happening so fast. What after the death of the church? It will rise again in the form of God's visible kingdom on earth. After all, Mary Magdalene saw the risen Lord as a gardener! Was it not the new Adam in a new paradise?

    Below I put my own text "The Bones that prophesy", which illuminated the fate of the romancatholic Church from a different perspective.

    The Bones that prophesy
    On the feast of Christ the King of the Universe AD2013, the relics of Saint Peter the Apostle were exposed to the public in front of the Basilica dedicated to him in the Vatican. On the same day (November 24), the Church (especially in the East) commerates Saint Mercurius the Soldier, who with one spear blow wounded emperor Julian the Apostate (+26 June AD363) cruelly persecuting faithful Christians under his secular power. It can therefore be assumed that the Prince of the Apostles, Servus servorum Dei, went out to the square to find the famous General in order to deal with this Argentinian apostate, whose forces of darkness settled on the Holy See to torment Catholics and ruin the visible Church. Because the commemoration fell on Sunday, so it was the year of Saint Mercurius, and on the feast of Christ the King, so the Lord Jesus Himself sends Mercurius to the final fight with the Apostate. [... to be continued]

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  2. [...continued]
    Mercurius = Mercury. (Before proceeding, read Psalm 19 (18) "Coeli enarrant" first and open the site https://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Yoursky) The map of the starry sky on that day (November 24, 2013) shows us: Virgin (Venus) Mother (Luna) The Holy Church was with Jupiter (in Pollux), Mars (figure of the Lord Jesus) and Mercury in tandem with Saturn in the constellation Libra below the Bootes holding the Spear (and Sickle). Effectively, however, the Virgin Mother was with the person that Saturn represents in the starry sky (I will not explain here how these calculations are performed, because it would take many pages of writing). This planet symbolizes both Israel and the descendants of King David. This arrangement of heavenly bodies indicates that the One sent to deal with the modern Apostate persecuting the Church of God is the Paraclete because Jupiter (= Roman emperor) has distinguished Pollux in Gemini - the constellation of the Sons of God. The Paraclete is the awaited Grand Monarch of the end times. In the sky He is represented by: Saturn, because he comes from the house of David; Jupiter, because he is Roman emperor; Mercury, because he is Messenger the Fire. Identifying the Paraclete with the Holy Spirit is a simplification because He is one of the chosen sons of Our Mother the Holy Church: He is not the Holy Spirit but he is full of the Holy Spirit. This last remark explains why Saint Peter came down from his See to the city square: he looked around among the faithful, where is this new General Mercurius who will free the earthly Church from the Evil's oppression.
    Five years after that reconnaissance, on the feast of the Apostles Peter and Paul on June 29, 2019, the Prince of the Apostles definitely left the Apostolic Palace and as the Latin Patriarch of Constantinople (the Vatican Basilica was his titular see) set off over the Bosporus. He arrived there the next day*, June 30, the day of the birth of Saint Paul the Apostle for heaven, in the company of Archbishop Job of Telmessos, whose name means 'Despised from the Land of Lights': Peter the Apostle was in fact despised in the East for centuries in the persons of his successors - Roman popes. However, he did not come here at the invitation of the Patriarch of Constantinople, but at the call of his native brother Saint Andrew, who is the founder of the local Church. For the first time Andrew called on Peter to announce to him "We found the Messiah" [John 1, 41]. Who did he want to introduce to his brother this time? Patriarch Bartholomew reached out to welcome the Guest from Rome, and it happened in the church of the Holy Apostles and on the festive day of the Synaxis of Holy Apostles. Is Patriarch Bartholomew the new Messiah? No. However, he is a prefiguration of the Paraclete. Bartholomew means 'Son of the Plowman'. The most famous plowman in the Bible was Elisha, whom Elijah anointed as a prophet after himself [1 Chronicles 19:19]. If Elijah was a prefiguration of John the Baptist [Matt 11,14], then Elisha of the Messiah-Plowman Jesus Christ, who in the Church, through holy sacraments, raises the sons of God and also his brothers. Jesus said: "One sows, the other reaps" [John 4, 37]. To sow, you also need to plow and this work was done by the Lord Jesus, but someone else will harvest the crops of his toil. Who? The apostle Bartholomew is identified with Nathanael (= "God has given"), about whom the Lord Jesus gave a favorable opinion: "Here is a true Israelite in whom there is no deceit" [John 1:47]. For his part, Nathanael confessed: "Rabbi, You are the Son of God, You are the King of Israel!" [John 1, 49] ....[to be continued]

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  3. ... [continued]
    What's more, he is the bridegroom from the wedding in Cana of Galilee, to which he invited Jesus with his disciples. The Gospel does not give the bride's name, but notices the presence of Jesus's Mother there. Also the chief steward praised the groom for the wine ... which Jesus Christ himself prepared in a wonderful way after the intervention of the Blessed Virgin. At this wedding She was called "Woman" for the first time, which suggests that She is married. This is the greatest secret of Cana of Galilee and the divine nature of the sacrament of marriage. This biblical event has its prophetic value, for it transfers us to the end of time, when the Sun-clothed Woman will marry her Son-Man, whom She gave birth to as Our Mother the Holy Church. This Son-Man is identical with the fire that the Lord Jesus wanted to throw on earth and the Paraclete. The act of June 30 (2019), through which Saint Peter the Apostle gave himself into the hands of Bartholomew / Nathanael, means that the Paraclete is the visible head of the reborn Church, i.e. the New Rome, and the Ecumenical Patriarch, i.e. the Father / King of the entire civilized - in a divine way - world. Because Constantinople was founded by the emperor Constantine (= 'Constant'), so the Paraclete will be the eternal ruler of God's Kingdom on earth, and therefore in the prophecies he appears as the Great Monarch of the end times. Patriarch Bartholomew, who has his residence in the Fanar district (of Constatinopole) or the 'Lantern', participated in this lucky event, so that the words of the Holy Bible could be fulfilled: [Luke 11, 33] "No one lights the light and puts it in hiding or under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that those who enter may see its splendor." This Light-Fire will ignite the Lord Jesus Christ Himself and set him on a lampstand (Fanar) that he, the Paraclete, will show the way to all who enter the Kingdom of God.
    This is the prophecy of the Bones of Saint Peter, Prince of the Apostles, after the abolition of the Holy See in Rome on February 28, 2013 at 8 pm (CET).

    On the feast of the Don Icon of the Mother of God, Sept. 1, 2019

    * On June 30, 2019, the reliquary with Saint Peter's Bones has been handed over to Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinopole through the Archbishop Job of Telmessos.

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